The future of metal? [Archive] - Chimaira Message Board

mentalrae

11-07-05, 10:52 PM

I truley believe that Chimaira as a band can push metal beyond anything we've seen so far. They've got that old school feel, yet that vibe that anything goes and they as a band can do it.They can bring metal back to what it once was and push it to what it can be. i'm just wondering what everyone else thinks.absolutely, totally agreed!! theyve definately got something that most bands dont have!! kerry king quoted them as being the next slayer. theyre gonna be fucking huge!!!
welcome to this forum by the way!!

Slave Labor

11-07-05, 10:59 PM

thanks for the welcome. chimaira have set the bar for the rest, now its up to us as fans to support them.

fuct666

12-07-05, 01:06 PM

Who gives a fuck if they are the next Slayer.

The way metal is turning nowadays it is going downhill. The press label Trivium as metal. That speaks for itself i think, the metal industry is going downhill and fast.

destroyer_of_senses

12-07-05, 01:26 PM

thats the press. fuck the press, the fans arent stupid enough, they can decide for themselves nowadays what they like.

Severity

12-07-05, 01:31 PM

I agree Fuct, And you get Kerrang and other mags labeling trivium as one of the best metal bands of the fucking century...I have nothing against trivium. Therea good band n all. And they are metal Fuct. Just what type of metal would you class them under. And now it seems here in the Uk that they have a increasing fanbase of 10 year old " i slit my wrists to music and wear black nailvarnish " little kids idolising trivium. Slightly off the pace here. But to get branded that is a joke. So yeah DOS, Fuck the press :D

bRaNcO

12-07-05, 03:10 PM

sorry dudes, there are far too many bands that have equal or even more potencial than chimaira..look for lamb of god, mastodon for example, that are about in the same wave as chimaira is and are really really better both sounding and musically..

and it's not that i particulary like them, but i can see their talent
by the other side this is a chimaira board, its natural that here everyone thinks of chimaira as a #1 band, like in the slipknot they think slipknot is #1 and so ;)

btw..if the topic's title was really to be true i'd stop listening metal

chimaira_kid

12-07-05, 03:37 PM

Penisaur

12-07-05, 03:40 PM

Lamb of God up my butt/

Mastodon > Maroon 5 > Lamb of God

chimaira_kid

12-07-05, 03:42 PM

Lamb of God up my butt/

Mastodon > Maroon 5 > Lamb of God
noyce,but i like LOG

Tom

12-07-05, 04:07 PM

Lamb of God up my butt/

Mastodon > Maroon 5 > Lamb of God
damn right

SLITrist101

12-07-05, 04:12 PM

The future is bright as long as we keep getting bands like Chimaira, The Agony Scene, Lamb of God, Slayer, Bloodsimple, Bleed The Sky.

I think right now, some of the best metal in years is comming out. But the older stuff is still obviously fucking amazing.

Thy Horror Cosmic

12-07-05, 04:13 PM

I agree with this guy

javiINFLAMES

12-07-05, 04:17 PM

I think the future of metal looks very grim. Hell, when someone says TRIVIUM is the hottest band of the century, YOU KNOW the metal press are desperately looking for the next big band to cash in on. Again, I like Trivium, but saying that is just completely insane. If US bands would start giving European bands their due, then awesome. But all they do is rip them off and then say that Metallica was their main influence. What horseshit. Metal is dying, A VERY SAD, SLOW and PAINFUL DEATH.

Thy Horror Cosmic

12-07-05, 04:20 PM

Yah Triviums good but they are not even close to being the best. I give a year or less before they say another band is the hottest of the century or till people forget them.

chimaira_kid

12-07-05, 04:21 PM

Yah Triviums good but they are not even close to being the best. I give 2 years or less before they say another band is the hottest of the century or till people forget them.
fo reals!

bRaNcO

12-07-05, 05:00 PM

if you're deep into metalcore then good, all that label crap is good for you.

now if you want quality diversity, you have the great swedish metal(that actually includes all those countries from the north of europe) and black metal(norway and shit) that probably will never pass as much on mtv but rocks a lot fucking more

Sevaloco_Nick

12-07-05, 05:54 PM

I dunno what's gonna happen to metal. It does seem to be withering a bit. Trivium are nowhere near best band of the century, that was probably some Roadrunner cunt laughing at his luck by signing a band he thought was hopefully not too much of a risk to take, or like you said some random dude who got over excited at a new metal band and was desperate to cling onto something new. Trivium are ok, but...that was an awful comment to make lol.
The metal genre is expanding and then the sub-genre's get boring very quickly. People are already slating metalcore everywhere, at least everywhere i read. Bands like Bleed the Sky, The Agone Scene, Still Remains etc, people are bored of it. And thats why they get somewhat excited when bands change a bit and do something different, eg. Chimaira S/T.
What some people don't realise is bands like these are actually moving into the mainstream of metal, but not mainstream 'elsewhere'. (If you get what i mean). They are by no means ''selling out'' dont get me wrong, but If you go into a rock/metal mag you'll read about Metalcore/hardcore bands and Trivium loads, but you won't read as much about Black/Death/Euro/Melodeath etc Metal. You will, but just not as much.

People probably thought Metal music wouldn't evolve or get heavier back in the days of Metallica, Sepultura etc, even Sabbath. Yet nowadays you get hardcore bands pushing the boundaries of what's audible to pathetic lengths, eg. Dillinger Escape Plan.

I just hope something new, fresh and decent comes out to make metal a bit more 'catchy' as a whole. Rather than 80 metalcore/hardcore etc bands that all sound the same and don't 'do anything for me'.

fuct666

13-07-05, 05:18 AM

The press sucks yes, but the press has a big influence on what people buy. So if they say something is metal people will buy it etcetc.

And this is a Chimaira forum, but not everyone thinks they are #1.

StMoolah

13-07-05, 05:44 AM

Well, i like about 2 or 3 bands than have came into the (metal) scene since 2000.
so theres a pretty fair assesment on what i think of metal today.

chef Jeff

13-07-05, 12:43 PM

I agree that Chimaira is extremely groundbreaking. as far as "metal" goes these days, i think they are the sultans. LOG is great, however Randy's voice is ONE voice. no variety. Mastodon just sucks for real, and there aren't too many bands that i have seen that just pumps it beyond belief live! and their records are just amazing!!! nice and distinctive, and constantly growing. not many bands can do that.

chimaira_kid

13-07-05, 01:06 PM

this new Chimaira album is the fuckin shi!i just listened to itall today ...and holy fuck!

fuct666

13-07-05, 02:33 PM

this new Chimaira album is the fuckin shi!i just listened to itall today ...and holy fuck!
Your post isnt relevant to this thread.

chimaira_kid

13-07-05, 02:34 PM

neither is yours.

fuct666

13-07-05, 02:39 PM

None of these 4 posts are..

chimaira_kid

13-07-05, 02:45 PM

there ya go again...
bands like chimaira and LOG are the future of metal not Trivium

Thy Horror Cosmic

13-07-05, 05:46 PM

there ya go again...
bands like chimaira and LOG are the future of metal not Trivium

I dont think neither of them bands are imo

Slave Labor

13-07-05, 07:44 PM

Anyone that says metal is going downhill are blind as all fuck. you either support or get the fuck out of the pit.

fuct666

14-07-05, 03:06 AM

Anyone that says metal is going downhill are blind as all fuck. you either support or get the fuck out of the pit.
Or you wake the fuck up and realise all the new bands around today arent nothing compared to old metal bands. By old i mean from 5 years going back.

underdose

14-07-05, 03:30 AM

Music evloves and trends grow and die! Remember limb bizkit and linkin park?
But one the count of Trivium they can put on 1 fucking awesome show and i wont take that away from them! they are gaining shitloads of momentum in the UK and good for them.
Mastadon are just shite. I had the displeasure of seeing them twice on the unholy alliance tour last year and both times they just sucked balls and their music is pretty dull and boring if yet technical.
Chimaira aren't following trends and are doing what they want which isn't going with the metal scence.Same as TIOR. This album should make them into a big band but only time will tell.
Just give it time and new bands will appear. Every so often there is a little slow down in awesomness but it has to be expected as you can't expect an amazing band to come along everyweek/month!

StMoolah

14-07-05, 03:48 AM

Anyone that says metal is going downhill are blind as all fuck. you either support or get the fuck out of the pit.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAHA

Fuck Off.

lonecry

14-07-05, 04:46 AM

I find it difficult to label music these days. There are so many genres and sub-genres and sub-sub-sub-genres (etc) that lets face it, what really can be considered metal and not metal. I mean whats the difference between metal and metalcore? Is metalcore a fusion of hardcore and metal? lol Then again 'metal' is such a vague term these days, because so many bands are so much more than just 'metal'.

"...all the new bands around today arent nothing compared to old metal bands. By old i mean from 5 years going back."

What old bands do you mean in particular? I have never been a fan of Metallica, Slayer or Pantera (let the flaming begin) and I actually prefer modern metal like Chimaira and Trivium.

fuct666

14-07-05, 06:25 AM

"...all the new bands around today arent nothing compared to old metal bands. By old i mean from 5 years going back."

What old bands do you mean in particular? I have never been a fan of Metallica, Slayer or Pantera (let the flaming begin) and I actually prefer modern metal like Chimaira and Trivium.

I was never into old metal like Metallica/Slayer/Pantera/Maiden blahblahblah.

When i said from 5 years going back. Bands like Children Of Bodom/In Flames/Chimaira/Ektomorf that havent formed in the recent years. I admit there is some good bands that have formed in the past few years like Anal Blast/Brides Of Destruction/DevilDriver/Imperanon.

But lately the metal world has been flooded with all this "metalcore" bullshit. And this has attracted loads of poser metalheads and i hate peopel saying they are metal because they listen to Trivium or Bullet For My Valentine, and yes i know they both suck dick im just giving examples of what people say.

destroyer_of_senses

14-07-05, 06:37 AM

i agree with slave labor in that metal nowadays is better. you are spoiled for choice in modern metal.

bRaNcO

14-07-05, 08:32 AM

Sevaloco_Nick

14-07-05, 11:08 AM

I think a lot of bands mistake technicality in music as the new direction. Metal is getting a lot more intricate yet it all sounds the same becuase there's too many people doing it at once. Yea you are 'spoilt for choice' but its only cause so many people are deciding to create new Triviums or Chimairas or whatever the hell is mentioned a lot in the metal press lately or in the last few years.
I don't think Trivium or Lamb of God are the future of metal at all really, Trivium are just drifting further into the spotlight/mainstream, its all going to their heads too quickly, and people will expect too much of them in a few years.

lonecry

14-07-05, 02:19 PM

"Trivium are just drifting further into the spotlight/mainstream, its all going to their heads too quickly, and people will expect too much of them in a few years."

I totally agree with this. Chimaira were never (and correct me if I'm wrong) that big a band in the UK as they are in the USA, and I dont think its until now that they'll get the recognition that they deserve over here. Sure people will know them and mags will review them, but now is the time when if you walked down the highstreet and asked a metalhead who his fav bands were, Chimaira would be in the top 3. Along with probably Slayer. Trivium however just popped out of nowhere and suddenly they're everyones fav band just because of their media attention. They're not that great. I wish UK 'metal' bands got better publicity... they just come and go and no-one ever notices how great they really were e.g. the great Earthtone9 (RIP) and Stoopi (RIP).

Ihateeverone2

14-07-05, 02:54 PM

I don't care who is saying they lissen to metal or not let them think they're the man
For me Chimaira has the kind of perfect thing that makes it technical good and it's very catchy and it never gets bored like for me pantera and slayer did and old in flames and on not that I don't like the new in flames
I like LOG and all but they just don't have that thing
I think if TIOR got more famous it could be an album that would stay for a very long time And for Chimaira the best is yet to come :)

Rise

14-07-05, 04:45 PM

I feel that the likes of Chimaira and LOG are definetly the future of metal. They have so much to offer to the 'METAL' genre, who gives a fuck about the sub-genres, not saying i dont like a few bands which have come out of these genre in the past few years but i personally feel that metal is a genre will never die. Just take a look at Grunge and REAL Punk they have both had there moment and have faded away. The reason being for them fading away is that it sounded all the same. Metal is a genre which keeps evolving and will carry on evolving.

Slave Labor

14-07-05, 07:51 PM

Even with your eyes open your still blind to the facts. Maybe most of you need to go back to your caves and let progression happen and stop whining like children. There will never be another Slayer or Seplutura or Metallica, etc. So get the fuck over it. Just because every band doesn't sound like you wish it to doesn't mean it's shit. And if you want to make things better, pick up a damn guitar and do something instead of bitching.

Rise

14-07-05, 08:11 PM

I totally agree with slave.. There will NEVER be another band such as slayer or metallica, who were so original when they started out. We have to let new bands progress, bands such as chimaira and LOG have such much more left to give to their fans, and the music will only get better. Kerry King said that Chimaira were the next Slayer, maybe even he belives that more new deserve a chance to proe themselves worthy.

....and thats all i gotta say about that ;)

Stigmurderer

15-07-05, 06:50 PM

What Slave Labourer said is true, All music has always been changing, you dont see bands go in the exact same direction as past bands. They may have influences but really theres never going to be any bands like slayer/metallica etc.. As for log and chimaira being the future of metal, they may be bands that keep metal going but in the future there will most likely be alot more bands that come out and push metal just that little bit further. Really where have we got to go, how can there be another legendary metal band? What boundries are there left to push that havent already been pushed. I dont think there will be anymore "legendary" metal bands because really the only bands that are legendary are the ones who made metal what is, the bands who made metal a genre of music. All we can do from now on really is continue on from that.

destroyer_of_senses

15-07-05, 06:53 PM

haha, metal nowadays is better than old metal? i could certainly agree if i didnt know that 90% of you just listen to shit with 0 technical skill and just some gay ass chorus that makes you love the songs..

that's the main reason why bands like metallica slayer and pantera were so good and yet so successful...they had technical skills and yet they were attractive..nowadays the bands are technical OR catchy.
how can you know that 90% listen to bands with no technical skill. I do believe there may be more legendary metal bands, in the making, but they are too early in their careers just yet to became masters. I still believeyou are spoilt for choice. I mean, If you want to listen to a particular type of music, you can go to a site such as www.metal-archives.com and search by genre. There are, to me anyway, a plethora of young, exciting bands that are yet to hit the big time, just because they dont have that flavour of the month sound. In the case of LOG, I do believe they are making waves in the metal scene that will be felt for years to come. I believe they will be legendary in due time, because rather than trying to appeal to a market, they play for themselves first and foremost, and if they happen to make money out of it, than, wahey. In the case of trivium, I believe they will be a short lived sugar rush band, and when their 15mins are up, they may well be forgotten about. To me, they do catchy choruses, with bog standard riffing, solos etc, as if to appeal to a wider audience. Its not like theyre lacking the skills to fuck with the template, its alomost as if theyre playing it safe, and using a tried and tested formula, so to get a name for themselves. If I have offended anybody in the slightest, I would be delighted to hear rebuttle, and I would just like to remind you that this is my opinion, and as such it is neither correct, nor incorrect.

Malakian105

16-07-05, 04:25 AM

Bloodsimple

No no way, they are definately not the future of metal. Im almost praying they're not.
But Im really unsure who or what is the future of metal. Yes I believe bands like Chimaira will be the fathers to many generations of bands to come, but at the same time, Im still a little unsure how metal music as a whole will progress.
Back in the 60/70's with the likes of Deep Purple etc...They were ground breaking bands but there was a lot of signs that this style of music could be evolved.
Looking at bands in todays generation and with their being more existing bands than ever before you have to question how much further metal music can go. I mean their are metal bands that add Jazz and funk and every style of music possible to their sound. There are bands breaking the boundaries and coming up with fucked up riffs in the most bizarre time signatures. There are bands that are so fucking heavy, It would be hard to get a heavier sound. There are bands adding orchestration, choir influences, keyboards, trumpets, everything.
I can't see how things can change much anymore.
I would like to be proved wrong but these are just my current thoughts.

bRaNcO

16-07-05, 07:08 AM

how can you know that 90% listen to bands with no technical skill. I do believe there may be more legendary metal bands, in the making, but they are too early in their careers just yet to became masters. I still believeyou are spoilt for choice. I mean, If you want to listen to a particular type of music, you can go to a site such as www.metal-archives.com and search by genre. There are, to me anyway, a plethora of young, exciting bands that are yet to hit the big time, just because they dont have that flavour of the month sound. In the case of LOG, I do believe they are making waves in the metal scene that will be felt for years to come. I believe they will be legendary in due time, because rather than trying to appeal to a market, they play for themselves first and foremost, and if they happen to make money out of it, than, wahey. In the case of trivium, I believe they will be a short lived sugar rush band, and when their 15mins are up, they may well be forgotten about. To me, they do catchy choruses, with bog standard riffing, solos etc, as if to appeal to a wider audience. Its not like theyre lacking the skills to fuck with the template, its alomost as if theyre playing it safe, and using a tried and tested formula, so to get a name for themselves. If I have offended anybody in the slightest, I would be delighted to hear rebuttle, and I would just like to remind you that this is my opinion, and as such it is neither correct, nor incorrect.i dont know why you guys alwats bring up the trivium thing to conversation, then dont have anything special IMO, nor does chimaira to be legenday how you say...i think you all should listen to heavy/power/death/black and grind to get a overall view of extreme music to understand that are far far better and most original things out there than chimaira..

destroyer_of_senses

16-07-05, 11:01 AM

i dont know why you guys alwats bring up the trivium thing to conversation, then dont have anything special IMO, nor does chimaira to be legenday how you say...i think you all should listen to heavy/power/death/black and grind to get a overall view of extreme music to understand that are far far better and most original things out there than chimaira..
you're more than welcome to having an oinion, in fact, I encourage it. But if there are far greater things goingon than chimara, why register on their forum?

Chimairaddict

16-07-05, 11:11 AM

Chimaira is the next "Pantera"...... better than Slayer... i dont like Slayer anyways.... i just dont like Thrash... like Anthrax or Slayer :( .. but Pantera is different... like Chimaira is....... maybe Chimaira with Bleed The Sky and similar bands will be the next Generation of future metal, mixin a lot of things... That gonna rules the metal scene, not bored bands like children of bodom, cradle of filth or cannibal corpse... overrated ones :(

Slave Labor

17-07-05, 02:26 AM

Chimaira is leading the charge for newer metal acts that have come up. And not Nu-Metal...seriously this labeling shit has got to go. When the fuck has labeling been a part of metal? Fuck you, Metal is Metal. It's all about the band, the music, the fans, headbanging and beer.

lonecry

18-07-05, 05:02 AM

I agree with Slave... Metal is metal, there's no inbetweens (metalcore, supermetal, extrememetalhardcorepoprock etc). As long as the band and music kick ultimate ass then I'm a happy mosher :D

bRaNcO

18-07-05, 09:14 PM

you're more than welcome to having an oinion, in fact, I encourage it. But if there are far greater things goingon than chimara, why register on their forum?
well i registered on the old chimaira forum back in the ends of the pooe days and i posted there until it ended up..so as i dont have any more music forum nowadays i like to come here as i see some old peeps in here

MHanky

18-07-05, 09:39 PM

whats going on with all the trivium bashing? trivium arent the best band around, but the main reason they are getting this press is due to their age. matt heafy is 19 now. he recorded ember to inferno when he was 17. Admit it guys, that man tears it up on the guitar. The press says that ascendancy is a good album, some say it is one of the best of the year, but what they are really excited about is their next album. imagine if this man gets better and better how good he will be when he is 30. if the new album sucks, they will be forgotten, but i dont think it will be bad.
anyways, i think lamb of god are an overrated band. AOTW was good, but overrated. The first 4 songs are the best on the cd. their new cd was rushed, epic wanted it out fast. also, epic has a lot of cash, im sure they helped get LoG more famous by throwing around the green. advertisement can sure help
In my opinion, the future of metal is inflames, chimaira, machine head, black dahlia murder, god forbid, unearth (one of the only good metalcore bands), strapping young lad, and heaven shall burn. complain if you want, these bands are all very talented.

fuct666

20-07-05, 05:09 AM

No. All the press in the UK says Trivium is the next Metallica, but in actual fact Trivium arent all what everyone makes them out to be.

MLT9

20-07-05, 06:21 AM

Metal is always going to be around but it is probably not going to be as popular in 4 years. It will probably go back to the way it was in the mid-90s. Present but not popular.

bRaNcO

22-07-05, 08:22 PM

well i dont give a flying fuck about it..there still will be as many good bands as now..or not'

chimaira_kid

22-07-05, 09:38 PM

No. All the press in the UK says Trivium is the next Metallica, but in actual fact Trivium arent all what everyone makes them out to be.
i agree they are not even that heavy especially live

Malakian105

25-07-05, 08:29 AM

MHanky

25-07-05, 12:59 PM

Im dissing you here mate but Children of Bodom were 16/17 I believe when they recorded Hatebreeder and that's 100 times more intricate and awesome than Trivium. Children of Bodom don't get enough praise they deserve.

i havent heard hatebreeder,but i have hate crew and i favor trivium over that. sure laihlo can shred, but i find his solos boring

Sevaloco_Nick

25-07-05, 04:14 PM

You've pretty much stated the whole problem with Trivium MHanky, yes Matt is 19, but the next album they make is gonna have thousands of eyes, and dollars on it. If they don't do an album that is as good as or better than Ascendancy they could be fucked i think. The fact that they are so young is Roadrunner taking a huge risk, labels don't usually like to sign bands that are still quite young, thats why they promoted them so much i reckon because they had to put in 110% and hope this band did well for their cash. Hats off to them if they can keep it up but they've got a huge weight on their shoulders now. I could see all of it going to Matt's head at Download. He was lapping it up lol. If they can get better and better then great, but they can't get complacent, and all this next Metallica shite annoys me. Same with any band, i don't think Chimaira are going to be the next anything. Whether they become 'legends' time will have to tell but they'll definately always be remembered as a great band who made however many albums, had their own unique style and influenced shitloads of people to make music (including myself). Sorry if i've rambled lol.
Hatebreeder's a good album, you SURE they were 16/17? God lol, that's great if they were. But i thought they had albums even before that?

Thy Horror Cosmic

25-07-05, 04:17 PM

Im dissing you here mate but Children of Bodom were 16/17 I believe when they recorded Hatebreeder and that's 100 times more intricate and awesome than Trivium. Children of Bodom don't get enough praise they deserve.

Yep Alexi was 16 and the other members 17/18 during the Hatebreeder days.
And i agree Children of Bodom are alot more talented then Trivium in so many ways and the need alot more praise

fuct666

25-07-05, 05:05 PM

Children Of Bodom are awesome. Trivium suck horse shit compared.

bRaNcO

25-07-05, 11:09 PM

i didnt know alexi was 16 when they did hatebreeder, thats by far my favorite album from children of bodom..and i dont like that much hatecrew anyways

but what to me is amazing is not how alexi plays in children of bodom but how he plays in general...i downloaded off emule a clip of he playing vivaldi and god he really is a good guitar player

i highly doubt your trivium jesus will ever play such a nice thing

edit:actually that 16 years old thing and hatebreeder does not look plausible, their first cd was not even hatebreeder, it was something wild